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UHM[edit]
According to his comments at RWW, it was UHM, who has since put on a little page deletion show here at RW in the last few minutes. WēāŝēīōīďMethinks it is a Weasel 12:50, 9 April 2012 (UTC)
- He's desysopped and binned. Let him stay that way. CopperheadHisssssss 12:52, 9 April 2012 (UTC)
- Is that all? Shouldn't there be a vote about banning him or something? Wéáśéĺóíď
Methinks it is a Weasel 12:59, 9 April 2012 (UTC)
- I'm pretty sure that falls under vandalism. CopperheadHisssssss 13:00, 9 April 2012 (UTC)
- What does that mean? Weaseloid
Methinks it is a Weasel 13:01, 9 April 2012 (UTC)
- (EC)Help:How to handle vandalism CopperheadHisssssss 13:05, 9 April 2012 (UTC)
- What does that mean? Weaseloid
- (ECx2)In light of his confession and subsequent vandal run, it'd seem like we'd be ridiculous to have a vote.--
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13:02, 9 April 2012 (UTC)
- Why ridiculous? We don't need a vote to determine whether he's guilty, but what to do about him.
- Copperhead, your stance makes no sense. You're voting to ban Brxbrx after he's been cleared of this, but you think it's enough to merely vandal bin UHM? He didn't do the Goatse attack from his own account or IP, so vandal binning does nothing about those things. The point is that the community shouldn't tolerate somebody who griefs the site with distasteful vandalism for several hours straight then boasts about it. Wēāŝēīōīď
Methinks it is a Weasel 13:18, 9 April 2012 (UTC)
- I want to ban brx because he's a horrible human being and a blight on the community. If you feel more is required for UHM, go on ahead, with you all the way. CopperheadHisssssss 13:22, 9 April 2012 (UTC)
- Fair point! Someone better set up the vote for UHM. Six months seems like a good period, unless that seems too lenient?--
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13:20, 9 April 2012 (UTC)
- I'm pretty sure that falls under vandalism. CopperheadHisssssss 13:00, 9 April 2012 (UTC)
- Is that all? Shouldn't there be a vote about banning him or something? Wéáśéĺóíď
1; 2; 3. What the fuck was THIS all about? At the very least, if the confession actually is some sock over at RWW, or if he ends up claiming so, I want to vote to promote this guy for abuse of deletion powers. P-Foster Talk "Armed with the knowledge of our past we can charter a course for our future"--MX 13:05, 9 April 2012 (UTC)
- It's the same RWW account he's used for a year and has associated with his RW username throughout that time. No reason to disbelieve it's the same user. Ŵêâŝêîôîď
Methinks it is a Weasel 13:25, 9 April 2012 (UTC)
Vote to ban UHM[edit]
This vote has been closed. Please do not add, remove or change votes. The result of this vote was: UHM's rights will be removed and he will be banned for six months. |
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UHM has taken credit for yesterday's Goatse attack and has gone on a short deletion spree: 1; 2; 3. Vote to remove his rights and ban him for 6 months here: UHM: Ban[edit]
UHM: Don't ban[edit]
UHM: Goat[edit]
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Place for UHM to make his case.[edit]
No case to be made --★uːʤɱ kant 13:39, 9 April 2012 (UTC)
- Does anybody honestly believe it's UHM? Is that anything like him? Use your head, people.--"Shut up, Brx." 15:32, 9 April 2012 (UTC)
- So are you suggesting it's someone who just suddenly returned, is a general jackass, likes to be the victim? Cause I"m curious how you know it's "not him". --
Godot On a perdu le contrôle 18:11, 9 April 2012 (UTC)
- So are you suggesting it's someone who just suddenly returned, is a general jackass, likes to be the victim? Cause I"m curious how you know it's "not him". --
- According to Trent in the "Ban" section, it was UHM based on server evidence. So, yes, I do believe, in fact, that it was him. Lord of Reckless Noise Hooray! I'm helping! 15:36, 9 April 2012 (UTC)
- Well, actually what he says is that he's a far more likely candidate than Brx, which is really a pretty far cry from "it was him". UHM is copping to it, and voting for his own ban, so I'm going to have to assume it was him for now. Turpis 3:16 (talk) 18:16, 9 April 2012 (UTC)
- He's going to kill me for this, he said so, but I am brxbrx, wiki-champion of liberty and justice. Here is an email he just sent me:
Hey man,
just so you know, even though I said it was me, it wasn't. I saw them getting ready to burn you Salem-style and pretty much knew you wouldn't do such a thing. I wanted to leave anyways and thought before you get forever branded as a disruptive force to the wiki for - well, speaking your mind - I'd sacrifice tha lamb I was going to send over the hills anyways.
Now try to run with the popular kids and in times few you'll be able to speak your mind.
Have fun, UHM
PS: If you put this on RW or RWW I'll take the next plane to Arizona and kill you in your sleep.
It wasn't UHM, and it wasn't me--"Shut up, Brx." 15:39, 9 April 2012 (UTC)
- Can you try not to do stupid and annoying things for a day or so, and see how that might work out for you? P-Foster Talk "Armed with the knowledge of our past we can charter a course for our future"--MX 15:44, 9 April 2012 (UTC)
- UHM is innocent--"Shut up, Brx." 15:46, 9 April 2012 (UTC)
- Don't care. He copped to it. Shut up. go away. P-Foster Talk "Armed with the knowledge of our past we can charter a course for our future"--MX 15:55, 9 April 2012 (UTC)
- Wow. You just want someone to hang. Are you Texan, by any chance?--"Shut up, Brx." 15:56, 9 April 2012 (UTC)
- No, I don't want someone to hang, it isn't about lynching, it isn't about hanging people. it's about getting rid of ill-behaved idiots at a dinner party who showed up empty-handed, said nothing of value, ate all the food, monopolised all the conversation, drank all the booze, crapped on the rug, and didn't help with the dishes. It's about asking boors to leave our house. UHM said he did it. You say he didn't. I don't really care. The fact that we're wasting electrons talking about either of you makes me want to see both of you leave the party. P-Foster Talk "Armed with the knowledge of our past we can charter a course for our future"--MX 16:03, 9 April 2012 (UTC)
--il'Dictator Mikal 16:09, 9 April 2012 (UTC)
- UHM has never been an "ill behaved idiot." He has had the occasional outburst in reaction to frustration with some of the site's users, but otherwise he is a treat to have here. He adds much to discussions and provides a voice of reason when all anyone else is interested in is attacking, attacking, attacking.--"Shut up, Brx." 18:27, 9 April 2012 (UTC)
- His comments on this page hardly bear out that description. Wėąṣėḷőįď
Methinks it is a Weasel 20:28, 9 April 2012 (UTC)
- His comments on this page hardly bear out that description. Wėąṣėḷőįď
- I'm UHM. Occasionaluse (talk) 18:03, 9 April 2012 (UTC)
- UHM has never been an "ill behaved idiot." He has had the occasional outburst in reaction to frustration with some of the site's users, but otherwise he is a treat to have here. He adds much to discussions and provides a voice of reason when all anyone else is interested in is attacking, attacking, attacking.--"Shut up, Brx." 18:27, 9 April 2012 (UTC)
- No, I don't want someone to hang, it isn't about lynching, it isn't about hanging people. it's about getting rid of ill-behaved idiots at a dinner party who showed up empty-handed, said nothing of value, ate all the food, monopolised all the conversation, drank all the booze, crapped on the rug, and didn't help with the dishes. It's about asking boors to leave our house. UHM said he did it. You say he didn't. I don't really care. The fact that we're wasting electrons talking about either of you makes me want to see both of you leave the party. P-Foster Talk "Armed with the knowledge of our past we can charter a course for our future"--MX 16:03, 9 April 2012 (UTC)
- Wow. You just want someone to hang. Are you Texan, by any chance?--"Shut up, Brx." 15:56, 9 April 2012 (UTC)
- Don't care. He copped to it. Shut up. go away. P-Foster Talk "Armed with the knowledge of our past we can charter a course for our future"--MX 15:55, 9 April 2012 (UTC)
- UHM is innocent--"Shut up, Brx." 15:46, 9 April 2012 (UTC)
- If UHM didn't do it he should say so. I wasn't sure his initial confession at RWW was sincere, but if he's committed to the idea of nailing himself to a cross, who are we to deny it to him? After all, there's no way you can hammer in the last nail yourself. Turpis 3:16 (talk) 16:16, 9 April 2012 (UTC)
- Can you try not to do stupid and annoying things for a day or so, and see how that might work out for you? P-Foster Talk "Armed with the knowledge of our past we can charter a course for our future"--MX 15:44, 9 April 2012 (UTC)
Why would he do this?[edit]
Now I could be a completely gullible idiot, but I didn't see anything in his behaviour recently that could induce such an act of vandalism. Osaka Sun (talk) 18:02, 9 April 2012 (UTC)
- Exactly (to the second part ;))--"Shut up, Brx." 18:06, 9 April 2012 (UTC)
- Possible answers: He's a jerk. I don't know. I don't care. P-Foster Talk "Armed with the knowledge of our past we can charter a course for our future"--MX 18:10, 9 April 2012 (UTC)
- UHM can speak for himself. The only explanation given so far is boredom. If he wants to say more about his motives, he can; I don't see the point in everyone else speculating. Same goes for whether he's guilty; he can confirm or deny what Brx has told us. Wéáśéĺóíď
Methinks it is a Weasel 18:18, 9 April 2012 (UTC)
- I spent ten days building and wiring a 33 foot wall because I was bored. Then I cut my wrist. Don't underestimate the motivational power of boredom. ħuman
02:35, 10 April 2012 (UTC)
- I spent ten days building and wiring a 33 foot wall because I was bored. Then I cut my wrist. Don't underestimate the motivational power of boredom. ħuman
- UHM can speak for himself. The only explanation given so far is boredom. If he wants to say more about his motives, he can; I don't see the point in everyone else speculating. Same goes for whether he's guilty; he can confirm or deny what Brx has told us. Wéáśéĺóíď
- Possible answers: He's a jerk. I don't know. I don't care. P-Foster Talk "Armed with the knowledge of our past we can charter a course for our future"--MX 18:10, 9 April 2012 (UTC)
Maybe I did it, maybe not. Maybe it was just a random vandal making a visit, maybe not. Maybe I lied to brx, maybe I lied to all of you. It's for me to know, and for you all to think about. I've been thinking about leaving this place anyways, so you can ban me for whatever time you want. Also, thank you for the entertainment. Seeing what a vandal can do to this place is amazing. --★uːʤɱ atheist 18:29, 9 April 2012 (UTC)
- It would be interesting if he were to post a full and convincing explanation here. Nevertheless, his failure to do so would not make hm guilty.--Bob"What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence." 19:01, 9 April 2012 (UTC)
Well, this is just fuckign super[edit]
Brx and UHM playing are playing a little trolling with back up from Maratrean who showed up again just in time. Brx claims it wasn't him, UHM confesses and Brx say it wasn't UHM either. This site is completely hamstrung once again when it comes to dealing with obvious trolling, disruption and vandalism. Well fucking done - all of you are pathetic. AceModerator 20:44, 9 April 2012 (UTC)
- What's your proposed solution, Ace? ΨΣΔξΣΓΩΙÐ
Methinks it is a Weasel 20:48, 9 April 2012 (UTC)
- UHM should be blocked. There is no need for a vote, he admitted it. Who cares if brx says it wasn't him, he said so so he takes the wrap. Since when do we vote on vandal attacks? AceModerator 20:50, 9 April 2012 (UTC)
- since yesterday apparently. --il'Dictator Mikal 20:51, 9 April 2012 (UTC)
- We have reasonable doubts, Ace. Occasionaluse (talk) 20:54, 9 April 2012 (UTC)
- Dude confesses, says he doesn't care. We are not in the business of protecting user accounts from their holder's stupidity or mental imbalances. Fuck. P-Foster Talk "Armed with the knowledge of our past we can charter a course for our future"--MX 20:57, 9 April 2012 (UTC)
- So what if I confess? Would that absolve UHM? Occasionaluse (talk) 20:58, 9 April 2012 (UTC)
- He said he did it. Done and dusted. Whether he did or not now becomes irrelevant. Are we so completely frozen in our response to trolls that we can't even block admitted vandals/trolls he spend the entire day doing so? What a fucking joke. AceModerator
- I agree with Ace. There's no reasonable doubt that it was UHM (and I'm not sure that is the standard here) unless he comes out and categorically says it wasn't him. Brx's claims about a sudden reversal from UHM are merely a speculative, fanciful doubt. Frankly, I'd say that it is almost certainly a bit of trolling from a nincompoop with nothing better to do. Ban UHM and lets say nothing more on the subject. --DamoHi 21:10, 9 April 2012 (UTC)
- Like it or not, the community's voting on it. Ace & Damo, I suggest adding your votes above if you want to see UHM banned. If we're sticking to the voting regulations drawn up a few months ago, then we'll need a two-thirds majority to take any action, which there currently isn't. Wėąṣėḷőįď
Methinks it is a Weasel 21:17, 9 April 2012 (UTC)
- So this doesn't count anymore? Can we just remove it then? AceModerator 21:20, 9 April 2012 (UTC)
- Show me where on that page is discusses 6 month bans for vandalism. The system seems to be working, as much as it ever has. We're probably looking at a 6 month block for UHM right now, based largely on his confession. To be honest, I'd be in favor of having the sentence reflect the voting, in general. Say, user serves full proposed sentence if the voting is close to unanimous, substantially less when the votes are close. I guess that could either be considered changing the rules mid-game or an act of discretion. Turpis 3:16 (talk) 22:19, 9 April 2012 (UTC)
- So this doesn't count anymore? Can we just remove it then? AceModerator 21:20, 9 April 2012 (UTC)
- Like it or not, the community's voting on it. Ace & Damo, I suggest adding your votes above if you want to see UHM banned. If we're sticking to the voting regulations drawn up a few months ago, then we'll need a two-thirds majority to take any action, which there currently isn't. Wėąṣėḷőįď
- I agree with Ace. There's no reasonable doubt that it was UHM (and I'm not sure that is the standard here) unless he comes out and categorically says it wasn't him. Brx's claims about a sudden reversal from UHM are merely a speculative, fanciful doubt. Frankly, I'd say that it is almost certainly a bit of trolling from a nincompoop with nothing better to do. Ban UHM and lets say nothing more on the subject. --DamoHi 21:10, 9 April 2012 (UTC)
- Dude confesses, says he doesn't care. We are not in the business of protecting user accounts from their holder's stupidity or mental imbalances. Fuck. P-Foster Talk "Armed with the knowledge of our past we can charter a course for our future"--MX 20:57, 9 April 2012 (UTC)
- We have reasonable doubts, Ace. Occasionaluse (talk) 20:54, 9 April 2012 (UTC)
- since yesterday apparently. --il'Dictator Mikal 20:51, 9 April 2012 (UTC)
- UHM should be blocked. There is no need for a vote, he admitted it. Who cares if brx says it wasn't him, he said so so he takes the wrap. Since when do we vote on vandal attacks? AceModerator 20:50, 9 April 2012 (UTC)
- You know, I seem to recall taking flak on this very page for banning vandals instead of binning them. --"Shut up, Brx." 22:30, 9 April 2012 (UTC)
- I know this may be too complicated a concept for you to grasp, but there is a difference between harmless wandalism and a concentrated attack on the website that grinds the servers to a halt, makes it impossible to edit pages, fills that database with useless 1s and 0s, and confronts unexpecting visitors with horrible imagery. P-Foster Talk "Armed with the knowledge of our past we can charter a course for our future"--MX 22:40, 9 April 2012 (UTC)
- Weren't you one of the ones to edit war with Maratrean over putting shock images on his talk page? You're being awfully sensitive. Anyways, what do the rules say about "concentrated attacks?"--"Shut up, Brx." 22:44, 9 April 2012 (UTC)
- I would surmise what any other sane website says: fuck the causer. --il'Dictator Mikal 22:48, 9 April 2012 (UTC)
- Brx, shut the fuck up. Seriously. I am a very tolerant guy, I think, but you are running dangerously close to the point where even I want you gone. If UHM is throwing himself on his sword (which makes no sense and I don't believe) then it's his choice. If someone is going to make a case for him, it can't be you, because everyone hates you right now. So you are just going to make it worse. Shut up and be quiet and wait for this to blow over before you stick your head back into it again. Shut the fuck up.--
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23:44, 9 April 2012 (UTC)
- It seems
CEAD sums it up well. Brx, I know you've viewed me as an ally from time to time, mostly because I don't get nearly as irritated by you as everyone else, and I do make a point of sticking up for the little guy, but you've got to step back every now and then. If UHM wants to assume the blame for this then he has to take the punishment as well. That's how it works. Assuming he gets banned and then later on wants to take the position that it wasn't him after all, and he was falling on his sword for the good of...whatever, well, I'll listen to what he has to say (with a healthy dose of skepticism), but until then there's no point in trying to exonerate him. Be thankful it's him and not you. Turpis 3:16 (talk) 01:22, 10 April 2012 (UTC)
- It seems
- Weren't you one of the ones to edit war with Maratrean over putting shock images on his talk page? You're being awfully sensitive. Anyways, what do the rules say about "concentrated attacks?"--"Shut up, Brx." 22:44, 9 April 2012 (UTC)
- I know this may be too complicated a concept for you to grasp, but there is a difference between harmless wandalism and a concentrated attack on the website that grinds the servers to a halt, makes it impossible to edit pages, fills that database with useless 1s and 0s, and confronts unexpecting visitors with horrible imagery. P-Foster Talk "Armed with the knowledge of our past we can charter a course for our future"--MX 22:40, 9 April 2012 (UTC)